Thread:Uskok/@comment-27295021-20180325125431/@comment-27295021-20180326212139

'Or maybe "supposed to be" deliberately lacks "but he's not" because they forgot that Hawkins' death in Dead Man's Chest actually contradicts the Treasure Island'' canon where Jim's father dies in his own home. Ergo, they can't be the same character. '''

''An understandable sentiment, my friend, but to be honest, I'm am fairly certain this is were creative freedom comes into play. WhereasJim's father died in his home in the book, in most of the film adaptions, including some of those from Disney, Jim's father is not mentioned at all, and it is easy to imagine some people being hired to write the POTC movie(s) who only ever watched the movie to mistakingly believe the "mystery" of Jim's father to be supposed to be sort of ambigious and deciding to get creative. In the latest Disney-made adaption of the story I can think of, Treasure Planet, Jim's father just left and never came back. What if the creators of the second instalement of the POTC franchise watched that and thoguht it was faithful to the book when you remove all the alien and futuristic elements of the animated movie. And ultimately, it matters little: Just because it contradicts the canon of the original story, doesn't mean POTC can't have its own, seperate canon in which Mercer killed Jim's father, but the rest of the events of the book is consistent with the original story. POTC is its own universe, after all, and Disney have been involved in the adaptation of Treasure Island before. It is not unthinkable for the creators to decide the two co-existed as part of the POTC canon.''

'''The name Hawkins was mentioned in the DMC junior novelization. That makes it official. But the character's supposed backstory is unfortunately just that - a supposed backstory, not an official part of his biography. It was never mentioned in any official POTC tie-in material. What was supposed to happen is one thing, but what did happen is another.'''

''How can you possibly take a word/name out of context and just decide what the creators (which, at least in the case of Rowling and Harry Potter is basically the Word of God) and just "decide" that what they claim to be part of their own universe isn't canon? It isn't a "supposed" backstory, it is an udentified man. A "oh, and that guy we didn't mention was the father of Jim Hawkins, by the way" scenario. Also, why would he be mentioned in any official tie-in material? He was a side character who was isignificant to the tale the movie was spinning, so his appearance was just in passing, but that don't mean it didn't happen.''

Jack was twenty in the flashbacks in The Price of Freedom, which means the flashbacks are set two years after the flashback in Dead Men Tell No Tales, where he was eighteen.

''Ah, I see. My mistake. ^^'''

'''As for Jack not recognizing the Wicked Wench in The Price of Freedom, the simplest answer is that Ann C. Crispin did not know that someone would one day expand Jack's youth even further, and that the expansion would include something that could contradict some elements of her novel. But there's still plenty of in-universe explanations for Jack's seeming amnesia. Do we know how Jack ended up on the Wicked Wench in Dead Men Tell No Tales? No! Do we know how Captain Teague ended up on the Wicked Wench in Dead Men Tell No Tales? No! For all we know Jack maybe didn't even know the name of the ship he was serving on. '''

''Was Teague on the Wicked Wench? That slipped me by, where was he at, didn't see him. Also, the Price of Freedom is approved as official part of the lore. Which means that prior to shooting Dead Men Tell No Tales, someone should have paid attention to their own canon beforehand. Had Jack been on any other ship, it would have fit nicely into the "helping pirates out of obligation" part of Jack's early life. And - yeah, pretty sure Jack would know the name of the ship he was serving on. It stood in big, big letters. Also, not knowig the name of the ship is kind of like you and I not knowing the name of our work places. ''

'Maybe he and Teague were picked up by the crew of the Wicked Wench after the Misty Lady'' (Teague's ship in Pirates of the Caribbean: Jack Sparrow) was destroyed by Salazar. '''

''Could be. Teague would definitively be nifty enough to figure out how to trick Salazar into thinking they were floating corpses...''

How did the Wicked Wench become Beckett's property?

''We don't know. But the likelihood of there being two different ships of a similar type with the same name unbeknownst to those who built its name-brother/name-sister and Jack simply not connecting the two after trying to live lfie as a lawful man and push away memories of pirates for this reason is much, much more likely than Jack losing it, failing to re-acquire it long before Beckett ever was made aware of its existence, and thereafter just happening to end up captaining it again with no recollection of having done so before. A yet even more plausable scenario is for Jack to have been twenty-six or older in the flash-back canonically speaking, with the creators getting the dates wrong. Though - nothing confirmed on that front.''

How did Jack become a member of Teague's crew on the Troubadour?

Teague hired him?

Why seemingly no one knows that Jack was the one who caused Salazar's downfall and first death?

Whose to say they didn't? But even for such a heroic, impressive feat, sooner or later, the hype would die, and Jack would afterwards step on so many toes and get of the bad side of so many women at Tortuga that eventually, people would simply respond to it being brought up with a; "Yeah, that's all well and good, but what has that do with anything? Sparrow owes me money!'"

For example....