Forum:Was Davy Jones A Pirate Lord?

I've read somewhere that Davy Jones was 'the former Pirate Lord of the Scottish Lochs'. Was Davy Jones a Pirate Lord? I have a two arguments for and against this. First of all Davy Jones was often called 'the Devil of the Seas'. This might be just me, but I don't think he earned that title just for being an honest sailor; it rings something of 'infamy' and 'Pirate Lord'. Secondly Jones taught the Brethren Court how to bind Calypso, so at the very least he must of had some contact with the pirates and the first Brethren Lords, if he wasn't indeed one himself. Thirdly, Jones has a grandeur to him. I just can't imagine him as a merchent or a fisher or something mundane like that... he is a free spirit whose and in love with the sea, and he doesn't take kindly to authority or being bossed around (as shown when he is under the command of Cutlar Beckett); the quintessencial characteristics of a pirate. The argument against this is that it doesn't directly address this in the films (bugger) so we can't actually be sure. But still I think it would be cool to associate old Dai in some way with the Brethren Court, like Teague Sparrow is the Keeper of the Pirate Codex. Davy should be 'Binder of Calypso' or something like that. What does everyone else think?

P.S It occoured to me yesterday that if Davy was the Pirate Lord of the Scottish Lochs, it might have something to do with his relationship with the Kraken. Maybe the Kraken was the Loch Ness monster and Davy found him while he was searching the lake or something. I dunno, but I think it's a kind of cool idea.
 * Nothing has been officially confirmed - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 16:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont think he can be, because barbossa says the brethren court bound Calypso at this very spot (being pirate hall). If Davy Jones were a pirate lord he would have been there, and yet in At World's End Calypso doesnt know it was Jones that showed the court how to imprison her.KickAssJedi 18:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It does say that the Brethren Court was on the very spot, but that doesn't mean that Davy Jones had to be there... maybe Jones told the Pirate King how to bind Calypso and just left him and the rest of pirates to their own devices. But yeah, it is kind-of a hole in my idea.

What i am saying, is that IF davy jones was a pirate lord he would have HAD to been at shipwreck cove when calypso was bound because all 9 of pieces of eight were required. In at world's end Calypso doenst know that davy jones was the one that showed the court how to bind her therfore he COULD NOT have been there, and therefore was NOT a pirate lord.KickAssJedi 14:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nowhere does it state that Jones was present when Calypso was bound. He only told the Brethren how to bind Calypso. And, as the film shows, all Pirate Lords do not have to be present; they only have to declare their piece of eight - Ragetti then sneaks off with the plate, implying that Barbossa only wanted the pieces of eight, not the Pirate Lords themselves; that's why he cuts off Jack's coin, rather than ensuring Jack's around for Calypso's release. Therefore, even if he was a Lord, Jones would not necessarily have been present when Calypso was actually bound - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 14:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I dint say jones was definately there i said if he was there then calypso would have known he was the one who betrayed her, and yet in the film she doesnt.KickAssJedi 14:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If Davy Jones was ever a pirate lord, he would have to have had a piece of eight. I don't think he would have given it to someone else-he wanted Calypso trapped in a human body-and it seems inconceable for anyone to steal it from him. So it seems unlikely that he was a pirate lord. - Captain J. Sparrow 19:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well Teagues postion as Lord of Madagascar proves that there are pirate lords outside the brethren court, Davy Jones may not have been one of the nine lords but he could have gone by the title in his own right, but seeing as nothing official suggests he was a lord debating over it isnt very productive.--\\Captain KickAssJedi// 20:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that Teague's supposed position as a Pirate Lord can be considered canonical. See comments here. Also, this discussion should be at the Faithful Bride forum. I'm moving the page.--Lord Cutler BeckettPort Royal 06:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)