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  • Ahoy! I was rewatching a bit of OST and was wondering what the significance of the trident engraved on Sparrow' chest was. Has your source elaborated on that at all?

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    • Yeah I saw your reply to someone else on this wall. I'm in no hurry for the answer :)

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    • So tell me, what's become of my ship? Ahoy, ahoy, let the Wiki howl in despair, for I have returned! Nah, but in all seriousness, there are times...almost constantly, in fact, where I keep my promises. In this case, return just in time for the "final adventure" as been promoted, and so far I'm excited (looks at promos with the Turner family) but some ways disappointed. Anyways, I'm mostly here but whether I'm back for good or not remains to be seen. I'm certainly going to give my reaction to the film once I see it, at the very least. And very good to see the Wiki holding up since my absence. Well done!

      All that said, assuming Midhav's question is still in the air, I have not really asked about the scar because the answer was pretty much given if one were to read the OST script. Not a trident scar, but...

      BLACKBEARD
      Do you see? Even now, she attends to your welfare. Giving lie to the claims you make of her.
      He makes a final downward slash. Jack opens up his shirt. On his chest is a bloody cut, an upside-down half-circle with a downward stroke, creating a pitchfork-shaped upside-down cross.
      ANGELICA
      You will lead us to the Fountain. Yes?

      Hope this answers your question on this particular topic. Cheers!

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    • Welcome back, J Fan. The Wiki wasn't the same without you. :)

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    • Good to have you back J Fan (not like I'm around, but anyway).

      J Fan wrote:

      He makes a final downward slash. Jack opens up his shirt. On his chest is a bloody cut, an upside-down half-circle with a downward stroke, creating a pitchfork-shaped upside-down cross.

      Hope this answers your question on this particular topic. Cheers!

      Ah okay. I assumed that this was intended to set up some connection with Triton and Atlantis for the planned fifth film back then.

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    • Thank you Uskok and Midhav! It's good to be back, especially now. While the future of the franchise (and my further activity) may be uncertain, I am glad to have returned just in time to see the "final adventure" of Captain Jack Sparrow!

      Midhav wrote: Ah okay. I assumed that this was intended to set up some connection with Triton and Atlantis for the planned fifth film back then.

      Believe me, you weren't the only one. Heck, when I heard there was a trident in P5, I thought certain tidbits about Triton I heard years ago were happening. Now while it's not completely debunked, it is a little concerning that we're hearing "Trident of Poseidon" instead. Granted, Poseidon is more well known, but Disney had prequel books. Then again, even Star Wars (after 30+ years) didn't start a strict continuity until quite recently...as far as I know, anyway.

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    • I have some news about Atlantis, at least. The lost city is mentioned by Gibbs in the recently released video game Pirates of the Caribbean: Tides of War. It turns out the city was destroyed because of a magical item called "Jewel of Atlantis".

      As for the continuity, we might have one timeline problem, but that problem may not be so big. Joachim Ronning said in an interview that there are 9 or 10 years between the events of OST and DMTNT. Geoffrey Rush said in another interview that Salazar and his men were trapped in the Devil's Triangle for 25 years. Now, the only completely confirmed year in the franchise is 1750, which we know thanks to the props from OST. So, that means DMTNT is set in 1759 or 1760, which also means Jack trapped Salazar in 1734 or 1735. People who have read the DMTNT novelization say Henry Turner is 19 years old in the film, which means he was born around 1740, approximately nine months after the end of Beckett's war against piracy. If the war happened in 1740, and Davy Jones raised the Wicked Wench/Black Pearl from the bottom of the sea thirteen years earlier, that means the Wench was raised in 1727. However, Jerry Bruckheimer said that Jack was 18 when he trapped Salazar in the Triangle, which means Jack was born in 1717 or 1716. However, that directly contradicts Geoffrey Rush's statement because if both Bruckheimer's statement and Rush's statement are true that would mean that Jones raised the Wench when Jack was just a ten-year old kid, which, of course, can't be true. But there is one small hope that may clear this confusion. On reddit I asked a guy who has already watched the film about Salazar and he says it was never mentioned for how long was Salazar trapped in the Triangle. Which means this timeline problem may not be so hard to solve.

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    • Wow, that's all interesting. I might have missed all of that, given my absence. What internet access I could get, I only discovered Will and Elizabeth's (sigh) "grand return" to the franchise. So most (if not all) of this is new to me. Even now, I just found the Paul McCarthy picture...assuming it's not brand-spanking new?

      But while the Atlantis info sounds about right, the bit about years and stuff depends. Now I do believe DMTNT will take place about 10 years after OST because of the (sigh) "brilliant storyline" with the Turners. The bit Geoffrey Rush said I'm personally taking with a grain of salt. Not that he doesn't give good info, mind you, but it sounds conjecture ala how much time has passed between films...which admittedly sounds contradictory because of my comment about Ronning's statements. lol

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    • Yeah I think for Geoffrey it was just roughly 25 years. I doubt he'd be dissecting into the overall timeline as much as we do lol. Anyway, it's good that the movie just doesn't address that.

      Tides of War probably wouldn't be providing too much insight into the film canon. It's probably just some filler plot that they added there. Although, something I'd heard from someone else about PotCo would cast some aspersion on that claim - I was told that the QAR was being worked on in PotCo way back in 2008. Not sure how true that claim is.

      J Fan wrote: Wow, that's all interesting. I might have missed all of that, given my absence. What internet access I could get, I only discovered Will and Elizabeth's (sigh) "grand return" to the franchise. So most (if not all) of this is new to me. Even now, I just found the Paul McCarthy picture...assuming it's not brand-spanking new?

      I have avoided all material pertaining to their return. I've only seen Will once in a trailer, and I've avoided his tv spots. I've seen pictures of him in some tv spot as well as Elizabeth, although I made it a point to not look directly at it so that I have no idea how to picture her for the movie, so that the movie can perhaps surprise me (xD). Paul's image was released just yesterday. I have also not bothered to thoroughly analyze that.

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    • Well, mates, unlike you two, I have allowed myself to be spoiled by everything available. It's like with On Stranger Tides - at this moment I know more than I don't know. You may be disappointed with some things, but I can assure you that you will be very much surprised (and probably overjoyed) with others.

      As for Tides of War, the game is set immediately after the battle of Calypso's maelstrom, and it shows the continuation of the war against piracy, but with pirates now leading the charge against the East India Company. There's a lot of flashbacks to the events of the previous films, and some characters from DMTNT make their first appearance in the game, just like the Queen Anne's Revenge in POTCO.

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    • I mean, I've seen some of the TV spots, so I've seen the Turners, I know what the Trident looks like, etc. But ask me about interviews and such, I might have to do some Googling. Though I will say, DMTNT spoiled a whole lot less (to me anyway) than OST...then again, me memory might be a bit foggy or the fact I did have a look at the OST script before the movie came out. As far as Turners, there's not much to spoil on brave William, since Bloom himself spoiled he's only in two scenes of the whole movie! Knightley on the other hand, hmm...

      Given my lack of online-gaming experiences, you guys know more about Tides of War than I do. But if it has good story and explanations (like with Atlantis), I'm happy to see what's what.

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    • I'm afraid the legendary city is only mentioned in the game, but the game provided us with this image of a mermaid (which looks much more dangerous than her friends from Whitecap Bay) and this monster previously unseen in the POTC world.

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    • I actually have been spoiled quite a bit. I was on the subreddit and I opened the comments section of a review of the movie around a month or two ago, and the first comment there went "It's true that X character has Y fate and is the W of Z character". That and the Turner thing are the only spoilers I've gotten so far. But this one was a major spoiler and I hate myself for having read that, because being completely up to date with all the BTS of OST is what ruined the movie for me. Other than that, I fully expect that the rest of the movie will be like CotBP - a soft reboot, like what The Force Awakens was to A New Hope. Also Uskok, I was following a bit of your conversation with HowlingSister, with the hope that the spoilers were fake.

      I have not cleared looked at the trident on the other hand. Idk anything about Tides of War. So Uskok, is there some backstory as to what some characters were up to right after the EITC were defeated? Characters from just this movie or even Blackbeard and so forth?

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    • I know only what can be seen in the gameplay videos on youtube. It turns out the war against piracy continued, which actually makes sense because the East India Company was still strong and Will Turner had to be devoted to his new job, so Jack and Gibbs had to assemble the Pirate Lords once again. On the way they encountered Shansa the sea-witch who stole Jack's memories and put them in the bottles. One of the Pirate Lords has to retrieve the memories bit by bit, and that's how we see flashbacks to the events of the previous films. I'm not sure if Blackbeard appears but I have seen in one video a ship that looks very similar to the Queen Anne's Revenge.

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    • Midhav wrote:

      Other than that, I fully expect that the rest of the movie will be like CotBP - a soft reboot, like what The Force Awakens was to A New Hope. Also Uskok, I was following a bit of your conversation with HowlingSister, with the hope that the spoilers were fake.

      Funny you should mention The Force Awakens because that's exactly how someone referenced Will's role in the film. Like Luke Skywalker, but with dialogue...or something like that. That kinda makes me wonder why bother with mentioning Will at all at D23 if he doesn't have that big of a role. Luke, I get because it's Star Wars and they're making plenty more, but this sounds like a final Pirates desperate of making another billion.

      As far as the Trident's look, I spoiled it via one TV spot (which was confirmed as I looked at the Wiki's gallery) but I assume you haven't seen the new image uploads so I won't spoil the actual look. Though I should say thanks to director Ronning, who shared this shot as the very first shot you see after the Disney/Bruckheimer logo at the beginning of the film. If you don't mind that spoiler, here was his Instagram post. Just another way of me thinking the film will be fresher than OST was suppose to be...which I feel bad about saying because I do like OST. But I'll judge after listening to the soundtrack. lol

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    • Yeah, it's pretty clear that spoiling Will's minimal Luke role was just part of the marketing push so that it sufficiently reaches previous margins.

      Which pirate lord helped retrieve Jack's memories Uskok?

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    • @J Fan Well, they did bring Bloom to the European premiere, probably to attract more of his fans. I must admit, I will be sad if this turns out to the last film in the series, because the after credit scene promises something very interesting, but I won't be too sad. Five is a solid number of films, and we also have to accept the fact that Depp is not getting younger. He can't play Captain Jack forever.

      @Midhav Actually, the player takes the role of that particular Pirate Lord.

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    • Well I'm sure it won't be the last film ever. Feel bad bringing up Star Wars again, but they said the same thing about Revenge of the Sith being the final chapter of the saga ("The circle is now complete" or something like that). And same thing with the Shrek films, Shrek Forever After was supposed to end things, but now they're talking about more. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of it being the "last" and then there's a remake, reboot, etc. One thing's for sure, depending on how it ends, I'm sure this might be Depp's last...but then again, I don't know what happens.

      I must admit, I will be sad if this turns out to the last film in the series, because the after credit scene promises something very interesting, but I won't be too sad.

      Ok, I'm curious...is there something you know that hasn't been publicly revealed?
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    • He's been reading spoilers from the people who went to early screenings. Like I said, I did read a major one and I regret having had done that.

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    • Well, I had to keep myself up to date on the names of characters, ships, and locations. Also, J Fan, remember how you had this article written a month before OST was released. I may do the same about this battle, in the next few days.

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    • Aye, I remember it like it was almost yesterday. I believe when I wrote the Mutiny article, there was a video I took reference from, a person who actually saw the Disneyland sneak peeks. But sure, you can write the article. As long as all the facts are legit, of course. Not discouraging people who have truly seen the early screenings, but call me cautious. Haha

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    • Look at this: the DMTNT soundtrack tracklist

      1. Dead Men Tell No Tales - 01:51
      2. Salazar - 4:27
      3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel - 03:59
      4. You Speak of the Trident - 01:58
      5. The Devil's Triangle - 02:45
      6. Shansa - 03:12
      7. Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait - 04:50
      8. The Dying Gull - 01:01
      9. El Matador Del Mar - 08:05
      10. Kill the Sparrow - 06:16
      11. She Needs the Sea - 02:32
      12. The Brightest Star in the North - 06:00
      13. I've Come With the Butcher's Bill - 06:41
      14. The Power of the Sea - 04:07
      15. Treasure - 05:43
      16. My Name Is Barbossa - 05:34
      17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon - 2:41
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    • Note: as far as standalone Pirates soundtracks go, the first track will always be titled after the films' subtitle. lol Other that that, like the other soundtracks, the names raise more questions than answers...or perhaps it's just me.

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    • Aaaand a one minute clip from the film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c2nbpIPdQo

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    • "There's a witch and pirate in my shop!" Haha Jack's antics know no end. However, I do find it strange that a wanted pirate can pass by a group of soldiers unnoticed.

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    • Well, there is a bank gliding down the street. I'd say a single drunkard is easy to overlook. Even if he looks like the most notorious pirate on the high seas. ;)

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    • Uskok wrote:
      Look at this: the DMTNT soundtrack tracklist
      1. Dead Men Tell No Tales - 01:51
      2. Salazar - 4:27
      3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel - 03:59
      4. You Speak of the Trident - 01:58
      5. The Devil's Triangle - 02:45
      6. Shansa - 03:12
      7. Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait - 04:50
      8. The Dying Gull - 01:01
      9. El Matador Del Mar - 08:05
      10. Kill the Sparrow - 06:16
      11. She Needs the Sea - 02:32
      12. The Brightest Star in the North - 06:00
      13. I've Come With the Butcher's Bill - 06:41
      14. The Power of the Sea - 04:07
      15. Treasure - 05:43
      16. My Name Is Barbossa - 05:34
      17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon - 2:41

      Interesting. Where did you find all of the soundtrack names? Did you purchase the album for yourself?

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    • Uskok wrote: Well, I had to keep myself up to date on the names of characters, ships, and locations.

      That you had to do. But tell me, do the admins on the MCU wiki expose themselves to spoilers when the movie first releases? I doubt that they can make it to the premiere screenings.

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    • @X Jumper On Reddit

      @Midhav I do expose myself. It's part of the job ;)

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    • Well, isn't Captain Salazar a patient ghost. He'd be willing to wait for Jack to finish his business on that island before proceeding with his revenge. But then, I'm assuming Jack escapes by leaving via the other side of the island. Haha

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    • A true Spanish hidalgo ;)

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    • I think I'll limit myself to two trailers and the posters, and let everything else be fresh when I see the movie.

      Just wondering though, when exactly will the critics' reviews come in? It's less than a week before the release, and I think that Disney's continued embargo on it could indicate that they aren't that confident about it.

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    • I don't know about the critics but you'll be able to read my review in three or four days.

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    • Have you already seen the film? Or is that slated for 3 days from now? If it's the former then I suspect that the critics' reviews will be out right around then.

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    • I'll see it in three days. In my country it will be released on May 24.

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    • Well, that'll be a lot sooner than I'll be able to see it. No midnight trips to the theater for me, gentlemen...then again, I think it's all discontinued with all the earlier showtimes. But anyway, I look forward to seeing your review Uskok! Just note to the uninitiated that there will be spoilers, or perhaps it may do good to use a spoiler banner for the review. Articles, on the other hand, well...Bugger!

      At the very least, rank the film on your review. I am curious on if the film was worthy of the hype and where it stands with the others, like if it is your favorite, or perhaps the best? I believe I will enjoy the film, but we'll see.

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    • No worries, mate. As soon as I clear my head from the rum I intend to drink during the film (ever since AWE I have the tradition to bring a bottle of Captain Morgan with me to the theater), I'll write the review.

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    • Looking for to your review. The rest of this wiki around that time, not so much.

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    • Ah, the critics' reviews are out and it's currently at 33% on Rotten Tomatoes. I didn't expect it to fall this low, just as I didn't for OST.

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    • I don't trust Rotten Tomatoes. Actually, I don't trust any online reviewers. Today I saw one who was complanining that Brenton Thwaites is too old to play Orlando Bloom's son. Well, if he actually followed the story, he would know that Bloom is playing a guy who is immortal and can't age, so it shouldn't be so surprising if Will doesn't look so much older than Henry. Unfortunately, this shows that some reviewers don't pay much attention to the story, and we shouldn't pay much attention to their reviews.

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    • This is pretty epic anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfQyuEHm6qo

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